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Abby Phillip has been covering the White House for CNN since 2017. She was just named the new host of Inside Politics Sunday, so we’ve invited her to play a game called “Outside Politics.” Three questions about politics in the animal kingdom.

Click the audio link above to find out how she does.



PETER SAGAL, HOST:

And now the game where we ask talented people to use absolutely none of their talents. It’s called Not My Job. Abby Phillip is a veteran of Politico and The Washington Post. She has been covering the White House for CNN since 2017. She was just named the new host of “Inside Politics” on Sunday morning, although we do not know yet if she has gotten magic wall privileges.

Abby Phillip, welcome to WAIT WAIT.

ABBY PHILLIP: Hi. Thanks for having me.

SAGAL: So you are a rising star in the world of political reporters. Were you one of those kids who was, like, a political nerd who was, like, always interested in politics when you were growing up?

PHILLIP: Yeah, I kind of was, although maybe I didn’t realize it at the time. I thought it was just normal that people would watch the news all the time and know things and listen to NPR pretty much exclusively in the car with their parents. But apparently, that is not a thing that most normal kids do.

SAGAL: Wait a minute. Were your parents the kind of parents who sort of forced you to listen to NPR ’cause you were strapped in your car seat, and you couldn’t have any say in the matter?

PHILLIP: Yeah, and not just in my car seat – like, all the way up until I was allowed to drive myself. Like, we only listened to NPR in the car (laughter).

SAGAL: Was there a particular incident – like, there’s a whole generation of reporters who were, like, turned onto politics by the Watergate hearings. Was there something like that for you that made you say, I’m going to pursue this for my career?

PHILLIP: You know, it wasn’t until I got to college. I decided when I was in college that I couldn’t swing it as a doctor. It just was not for me. And so I was like, well, I’d better go get some skills. And I started working on the newspaper in college, and I fell in love with it.

I – actually, one of the first people I interviewed was David Gergen, who is a political analyst that – who I actually now work with at CNN. But I was so starstruck talking to him as a freshman college student, you know, who’d – this guy who had worked in the White House for all these years, and I’d never talked to anybody like that before. And so that was the first time I ever felt like, wow, I love talking to people who used to have power at some point.

(LAUGHTER)

PAULA POUNDSTONE: People who used to have power.

PHILLIP: Well, he has power now. It’s a different kind of power (laughter).

SAGAL: And do you find it’s more enjoyable to speak to people who actually have power, which you’ve been doing for quite some time?

PHILLIP: Actually, no, I don’t. I think…

SAGAL: No, it’s not.

PHILLIP: …Talking to people who actually have power is a little bit less interesting because they’re – you know, they’re trying to hold onto it, so they’re a little cagey. But people who have been there and have seen it all – they have all the secrets, and they know what it’s really like. And they’re also willing to tell you. And I find that way more interesting.

SAGAL: You had been a reporter for Politico and The Washington Post. Now you’re at CNN, and now you’re on CNN a lot on this sort of panel. You’re constantly commenting – very well. Is it hard to come up with something new to say?

PHILLIP: Oh, it’s definitely hard sometimes. Sometimes you’re like, what more am I supposed to say about this thing? But the thing is, you know, maybe – I think the thing that you don’t realize about cable TV is that half of the battle is just repeating what the person before you said but just saying it in a different way and making it sound new. And then you’ll be fine.

SAGAL: So in other words, you’re kind of recycling the information that has just already been offered to the viewer. But perhaps you’re doing it in a slightly new way so as to make it seem different. Is that what you’re saying?

PHILLIP: You’re exactly right about that.

SAGAL: Wow. It’s hard to say – I mean, you’ve done a lot of very valuable work. But maybe the moment that really brought you to the attention was – of the public was a confrontation you had – an almost ugly one. It was with – I’m referring, of course, to the time you were attacked by a gecko.

PHILLIP: One of the scariest moments of my life.

SAGAL: This was when you were down in Florida covering the president. Is that right?

PHILLIP: Yeah. Yeah.

SAGAL: And what happened?

PHILLIP: Well, I was on TV, on a panel. And it was the middle of some kind of crazy Florida windstorm. And then suddenly, I feel something land on my leg. And I don’t want to look down ’cause I’m on TV, but I’m like, I have to look down. I look down, and there’s a gecko staring up at me (laughter). And so I screamed and tried to knock the thing off my leg. And everyone thought I was being attacked by, you know – I mean, I was in West Palm Beach, so it could have been anything.

POUNDSTONE: Of all the stuff that could attack you in Florida, a gecko is so nothing.

PHILLIP: I think maybe the reason I was also a little jumpy was because where we do our live shots was – is in front of this lake thing that has an alligator in it. There is an actual alligator in the lake behind me.

POUNDSTONE: Oh. Oh, OK.

SAGAL: Oh.

PHILLIP: And there’s a giant tree that has geckos but also other kinds of…

POUNDSTONE: Yeah.

SAGAL: Yeah.

PHILLIP: …Animals. And it’s just a hazardous environment.

POUNDSTONE: Wow.

SAGAL: There’s another thing I wanted to ask you about, and you can tell me if I’m wrong. We heard that you have a big enthusiasm, when you need to relax, for reality TV. Is that the case?

PHILLIP: Oh, yes, I do.

SAGAL: What’s your favorite show?

PHILLIP: Oh, I’m a – I’m, like, a “Real Housewives”…

SAGAL: Really?

BILL KURTIS: Oh.

PHILLIP: Yeah.

SAGAL: What is the appeal of real – I’ve never felt the appeal. What is the appeal?

PHILLIP: And maybe it’s because it’s, like, people that you know. So it’s basically the same crew every season, and you get to know them really well, and you watch over time. And I’m bad with names, so it’s easier for me to keep track of who’s who.

SAGAL: I guess the reason I’m puzzled is because, isn’t your job as a political reporter and analyst covering enormous amounts of drama? And the fact that you want to, like, relax by watching more of that, I guess, is just puzzling.

PHILLIP: It’s just – as long as it’s not about the future of American democracy, I think it’s…

SAGAL: (Laughter).

PHILLIP: …Quite a contrast.

SAGAL: So you can relax.

PHILLIP: Incredibly relaxing.

SAGAL: I have to ask you this. I joked about it. You did take over “Inside Politics” Sunday morning from the legendary John King. Will you get to use the magic wall?

PHILLIP: I think so. We’ve been…

SAGAL: You think so.

PHILLIP: …Talking about it, but I have not been allowed on the magic wall just yet.

(LAUGHTER)

PHILLIP: I have to get a little bit of training.

SAGAL: Right.

PHILLIP: It’s a big responsibility. And so – but we’re working on it.

SAGAL: If you move your hand wrong, like, Pennsylvania goes into the sea. You can’t…

PHILLIP: Yeah, no.

SAGAL: You can’t mess with that.

KURTIS: (Laughter).

PHILLIP: It’s a total – I mean, look. Nobody is going to be as good at the magic wall as John King, so you shouldn’t even try.

SAGAL: Right.

PHILLIP: But just – I just don’t want to break anything or make anything disappear or anything like that.

SAGAL: Wow. Yeah, of course.

PHILLIP: So that’s the goal.

POUNDSTONE: You’re going to do the magic wall in your own special way, Abby.

PHILLIP: That’s what I’m hoping.

SAGAL: I have one last question. You and everybody else in political journalism – NPR, CNN, everywhere – has been spending a lot of late nights of late, starting with the election, going through the next impeachment. Do you have a secret for staying awake?

PHILLIP: I eat a lot of candy.

SAGAL: Really?

PHILLIP: (Laughter) Yeah.

SAGAL: That’s the secret.

PHILLIP: I mean, that’s what I do. I don’t know if it’s a secret, but that’s what I do. I eat a lot of, like, sugary things…

SAGAL: Wow.

PHILLIP: …As the night goes on.

SAGAL: Do you have a favorite candy?

PHILLIP: Fruit snacks.

SAGAL: Fruit snacks are not candy.

POUNDSTONE: Fruit snacks.

PHILLIP: Yeah, I know. They’re a hundred percent juice. That’s what I tell myself. But it’s mostly sugar.

TOM BODETT: Do you ever eat anything that turns your tongue a funny color, and then you’ve got a problem when you go on camera?

PHILLIP: (Laughter) That has not happened yet, but it’s only a matter of time.

BODETT: (Laughter) Stay away from Atomic Fireballs. They last for hours.

PHILLIP: Right. Now that you’ve said that…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: Abby Phillip, it is a pleasure to talk to you. We have invited you here this time, though, to play a game we’re calling…

KURTIS: Outside Politics.

SAGAL: You host “Inside Politics.” Now we thought we’d ask you about outside politics – that is, politics in the animal kingdom. Answer two questions out of three correctly – you’ll win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of their choice on their answering machine. Bill, who is Abby Phillip playing for?

KURTIS: Una Pett of Toulouse, France.

PHILLIP: Oh.

SAGAL: Here’s your first question. Beehives are very organized. We all know that. You have your queens, your drones, your workers, your warriors. But beehives also have what? A, bar bouncers; B, spiritual guides; or C, chauffeurs.

PHILLIP: I’m going to go with A, bar bouncers.

SAGAL: You are right.

PHILLIP: Oh.

(SOUNDBITE OF BELL)

SAGAL: Bees have bar bouncers.

(SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE SOUND EFFECT)

SAGAL: It turns out – I didn’t know this – bees are notorious for getting drunk on fermented nectar. And so in hives, there will be certain bees whose job it is to stand at the entrance and keep the drunk bees from going inside.

POUNDSTONE: Wow.

SAGAL: All right. Next question – chickens have a pecking order, obviously. Now, sometimes a rooster will challenge the human for dominance over the chicken coop. So what does modernfarmer.com suggest the human do to show the rooster that he or she is boss? A, crow like a rooster through an amplifier because volume always wins; B, just put on a rooster suit, get down in the dirt and get ready to rumble; or C, just eat it.

(LAUGHTER)

PHILLIP: I know what I want to answer, but I’m going to go with A.

SAGAL: No, it was actually just eat it.

PHILLIP: Oh, OK. That’s…

SAGAL: Yes.

PHILLIP: I was going to say that.

SAGAL: Apparently, sometimes if you grab the rooster and hold it down on the ground, that can establish dominance. But when that doesn’t work, to quote modernfarmer.com, plan B – the stewpot.

PHILLIP: That is absolutely the correct answer.

POUNDSTONE: Wow.

BODETT: There you go.

SAGAL: All right, last question. If you get this right, you win. A lot of animals, it turns out, have a form of democracy. How do African wild dogs vote on what the pack will do? A, they sneeze; B, they roll their eyes; or C, by electronic device.

POUNDSTONE: (Laughter).

PHILLIP: I’m going to go with A.

SAGAL: You’re going to go with A, they sneeze. You’re right.

(SOUNDBITE OF BELL)

SAGAL: That’s what they do.

(SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE SOUND EFFECT)

PHILLIP: That’s what my dog does.

SAGAL: When your dog – my dogs sneeze, too. But when they sneeze, are they registering a preference?

PHILLIP: When he sneezes, he’s demanding something, usually.

POUNDSTONE: Wow.

SAGAL: He apparently has something in common with the African wild dog.

PHILLIP: Yeah.

SAGAL: Bill, how did Abby Phillip do on our quiz?

KURTIS: Well, she won with 2 out of 3, Abby. Good luck on the new show.

(SOUNDBITE OF APPLAUSE SOUND EFFECT)

SAGAL: Congratulations.

PHILLIP: Thank you. I’m no good at games, so this was a real victory for me.

SAGAL: Abby Phillip is a senior political correspondent for CNN. She’s the new host of “Inside Politics Sunday.”

Abby Phillip, thank you so much for joining us on WAIT WAIT… DON’T TELL ME. Congratulations on everything, and good luck with the new gig.

PHILLIP: Thank you so much for having me. It was really fun.

SAGAL: Thank you, Abby.

PHILLIP: Bye.

SAGAL: Bye-bye.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “WHO LET THE DOGS OUT”)

BAHA MEN: (Singing) Who let the dogs out? Who, who, who, who, who? Who let the dogs out?

SAGAL: In just a minute, Bill could go all the way in our Listener Limerick Challenge. Call 1-888-WAIT-WAIT to join us on the air. We’ll be back in a minute with more of WAIT WAIT… DON’T TELL ME from NPR.

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RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Democrats who control both chambers of the Virginia legislature are hoping to make good on promises made on the campaign trail, including becoming the first Southern state to expand constitutional protections for abortion access.

The House Privileges and Elections Committee advanced three proposed constitutional amendments Wednesday, including a measure to protect reproductive rights. Its members also discussed measures to repeal a now-defunct state constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and ways to revise Virginia’s process to restore voting rights for people who served time for felony crimes.

“This meeting was an important next step considering the moment in history we find ourselves in,” Democratic Del. Cia Price, the committee chair, said during a news conference. “We have urgent threats to our freedoms that could impact constituents in all of the districts we serve.”

The at-times raucous meeting will pave the way for the House and Senate to take up the resolutions early next year after lawmakers tabled the measures last January. Democrats previously said the move was standard practice, given that amendments are typically introduced in odd-numbered years. But Republican Minority Leader Todd Gilbert said Wednesday the committee should not have delved into the amendments before next year’s legislative session. He said the resolutions, particularly the abortion amendment, need further vetting.

“No one who is still serving remembers it being done in this way ever,” Gilbert said after the meeting. “Certainly not for something this important. This is as big and weighty an issue as it gets.”

The Democrats’ legislative lineup comes after Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin, to the dismay of voting-rights advocates, rolled back a process to restore people’s civil rights after they completed sentences for felonies. Virginia is the only state that permanently bans anyone convicted of a felony from voting unless a governor restores their rights.

“This amendment creates a process that is bounded by transparent rules and criteria that will apply to everybody — it’s not left to the discretion of a single individual,” Del. Elizabeth Bennett-Parker, the patron of the voting rights resolution, which passed along party lines, said at the news conference.

Though Democrats have sparred with the governor over their legislative agenda, constitutional amendments put forth by lawmakers do not require his signature, allowing the Democrat-led House and Senate to bypass Youngkin’s blessing.

Instead, the General Assembly must pass proposed amendments twice in at least two years, with a legislative election sandwiched between each statehouse session. After that, the public can vote by referendum on the issues. The cumbersome process will likely hinge upon the success of all three amendments on Democrats’ ability to preserve their edge in the House and Senate, where they hold razor-thin majorities.

It’s not the first time lawmakers have attempted to champion the three amendments. Republicans in a House subcommittee killed a constitutional amendment to restore voting rights in 2022, a year after the measure passed in a Democrat-led House. The same subcommittee also struck down legislation supporting a constitutional amendment to repeal an amendment from 2006 banning marriage equality.

On Wednesday, a bipartisan group of lawmakers voted 16-5 in favor of legislation protecting same-sex marriage, with four Republicans supporting the resolution.

“To say the least, voters enacted this (amendment) in 2006, and we have had 100,000 voters a year become of voting age since then,” said Del. Mark Sickles, who sponsored the amendment as one of the first openly gay men serving in the General Assembly. “Many people have changed their opinions of this as the years have passed.”

A constitutional amendment protecting abortion previously passed the Senate in 2023 but died in a Republican-led House. On Wednesday, the amendment passed on party lines.

If successful, the resolution proposed by House Majority Leader Charniele Herring would be part of a growing trend of reproductive rights-related ballot questions given to voters. Since 2022, 18 questions have gone before voters across the U.S., and they have sided with abortion rights advocates 14 times.

The voters have approved constitutional amendments ensuring the right to abortion until fetal viability in nine states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Maryland, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Ohio and Vermont. Voters also passed a right-to-abortion measure in Nevada in 2024, but it must be passed again in 2026 to be added to the state constitution.

As lawmakers debated the measure, roughly 18 members spoke. Mercedes Perkins, at 38 weeks pregnant, described the importance of women making decisions about their own bodies. Rhea Simon, another Virginia resident, anecdotally described how reproductive health care shaped her life.

Then all at once, more than 50 people lined up to speak against the abortion amendment.

“Let’s do the compassionate thing and care for mothers and all unborn children,” resident Sheila Furey said.

The audience gave a collective “Amen,” followed by a round of applause.

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Associated Press writer Geoff Mulvihill in Cherry Hill, New Jersey, contributed to this report.

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NEW YORK (AP) — President-elect Donald Trump says he will nominate anti-vaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, putting him in charge of a massive agency that oversees everything from drug, vaccine and food safety to medical research and the social safety net programs Medicare and Medicaid.

“For too long, Americans have been crushed by the industrial food complex and drug companies who have engaged in deception, misinformation, and disinformation when it comes to Public Health,” Trump said in a post on his Truth Social site announcing the appointment. Kennedy, he said, would “Make America Great and Healthy Again!”

Kennedy, a former Democrat who ran as an independent in this year’s presidential race, abandoned his bid after striking a deal to give Trump his endorsement with a promise to have a role in health policy in the administration.

He and Trump have since become good friends, with Kennedy frequently receiving loud applause at Trump’s rallies.

The expected appointment was first reported by Politico Thursday.

A longtime vaccine skeptic, Kennedy is an attorney who has built a loyal following over several decades of people who admire his lawsuits against major pesticide and pharmaceutical companies. He has pushed for tighter regulations around the ingredients in foods.

With the Trump campaign, he worked to shore up support among young mothers in particular, with his message of making food healthier in the U.S., promising to model regulations imposed in Europe. In a nod to Trump’s original campaign slogan, he named the effort “Make America Healthy Again.”

It remains unclear how that will square with Trump’s history of deregulation of big industries, including food. Trump pushed for fewer inspections of the meat industry, for example.

Kennedy’s stance on vaccines has also made him a controversial figure among Democrats and some Republicans, raising question about his ability to get confirmed, even in a GOP-controlled Senate. Kennedy has espoused misinformation around the safety of vaccines, including pushing a totally discredited theory that childhood vaccines cause autism.

He also has said he would recommend removing fluoride from drinking water. The addition of the material has been cited as leading to improved dental health.

HHS has more than 80,000 employees across the country. It houses the Food and Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Medicare and Medicaid programs and the National Institutes of Health.

Kennedy’s anti-vaccine nonprofit group, Children’s Health Defense, currently has a lawsuit pending against a number of news organizations, among them The Associated Press, accusing them of violating antitrust laws by taking action to identify misinformation, including about COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccines. Kennedy took leave from the group when he announced his run for president but is listed as one of its attorneys in the lawsuit.

__ Seitz reported from Washington.

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In Cyprus, Ukrainians learn how to dispose of landmines that kill and maim hundreds

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NICOSIA, Cyprus (AP) — In a Cypriot National Guard camp, Ukrainians are being trained on how to identify, locate and dispose of landmines and other unexploded munitions that litter huge swaths of their country, killing and maiming hundreds of people, including children.

Analysts say Ukraine is among the countries that are the most affected by landmines and discarded explosives, as a result of Russia’s ongoing war.

According to U.N. figures, some 399 people have been killed and 915 wounded from landmines and other munitions since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022, equal to the number of casualties reported from 2014-2021. More than 1 in 10 of those casualties have been children.

The economic impact is costing billions to the Ukrainian economy. Landmines and other munitions are preventing the sowing of 5 million hectares, or 10%, of the country’s agricultural land.

Cyprus stepped up to offer its facilities as part of the European Union’s Military Assistance Mission to Ukraine. So far, almost 100 Ukrainian armed forces personnel have taken part in three training cycles over the last two years, said Cyprus Foreign Ministry spokesperson Theodoros Gotsis.

“We are committed to continuing this support for as long as it takes,” Gotsis told the Associated Press, adding that the Cyprus government has covered the 250,000 euro ($262,600) training cost.

Cyprus opted to offer such training owing to its own landmine issues dating back five decades when the island nation was ethnically divided when Turkey invaded following a coup that sought union with Greece. The United Nations has removed some 27,000 landmines from a buffer zone that cuts across the island, but minefields remain on either side. The Cypriot government says it has disposed of all anti-personnel mines in line with its obligations under an international treaty that bans the use of such munitions.

In Cyprus, Ukrainians undergo rigorous theoretical and practical training over a five-week Basic Demining and Clearance course that includes instruction on distinguishing and safely handling landmines and other explosive munitions, such as rockets, 155 mm artillery shells, rocket-propelled grenades and mortar shells.

Theoretical training uses inert munitions identical to the actual explosives.

Most of the course is comprised of hands-on training focusing on the on-site destruction of unexploded munitions using explosives, the chief training officer told the Associated Press. The officer spoke on condition of anonymity because he’s not authorized to disclose his identity for security reasons.

“They’re trained on ordnance disposal using real explosives,” the officer said. “That will be the trainees’ primary task when they return.”

Cypriot officials said the Ukrainian trainees did not want to be either interviewed or photographed.

Defusing discarded munitions or landmines in areas where explosive charges can’t be used — for instance, near a hospital — is not part of this course because that’s the task of highly trained teams of disposal experts whose training can last as long as eight months, the officer said.

Trainees, divided into groups of eight, are taught how to operate metal detectors and other tools for detecting munitions like prodders — long, thin rods which are used to gently probe beneath the ground’s surface in search of landmines and other explosive ordnance.

Another tool is a feeler, a rod that’s used to detect booby-trapped munitions. There are many ways to booby-trap such munitions, unlike landmines which require direct pressure to detonate.

“Booby-trapped munitions are a widespread phenomenon in Ukraine,” the chief training officer explained.

Training, primarily conducted by experts from other European Union countries, takes place both in forested and urban areas at different army camps and follows strict safety protocols.

The short, intense training period keeps the Ukrainians focused.

“You see the interest they show during instruction: they ask questions, they want to know what mistakes they’ve made and the correct way of doing it,” the officer said.

Humanitarian data and analysis group ACAPS said in a Jan. 2024 report that 174,000 sq. kilometers (67,182 sq. miles) or nearly 29% of Ukraine’s territory needs to be surveyed for landmines and other explosive ordnance.

More than 10 million people are said to live in areas where demining action is needed.

Since 2022, Russian forces have used at least 13 types of anti-personnel mines, which target people. Russia never signed the 1997 Ottawa Convention banning the use of anti-personnel mines, but the use of such mines is nonetheless considered a violation of its obligations under international law.

Russia also uses 13 types of anti-tank mines.

The International Campaign to Ban Landmines said in its 2023 Landmine Monitor report that Ukrainian government forces may have also used antipersonnel landmines in contravention of the Mine Ban Treaty in and around the city of Izium during 2022, when the city was under Russian control.

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