The mayor of Quesnel, B.C., has been stripped of many of his duties and barred from entering land belonging to multiple First Nations in and around his community.
On Tuesday night, Quesnel’s city council voted unanimously to censure Ron Paull and impose multiple restrictions on his ability to represent the city.
The decision is in response to reports Paull’s wife has given out copies of a controversial book about residential schools to people in the community and that Paull himself had offered the book to other elected officials at a local government meeting.
In response, the Lhtako Dene, Nazko and Lhoosk’uz Dené First Nations have said they will refuse to work with Paull, who is also no longer welcome on land belonging to the Lhtako Dene.
The story thrust the community of roughly 23,000 people, located about 400 kilometres north of Vancouver, into the national spotlight as a flash point in the ongoing conversation about residential schools and Canada’s efforts at reconciliation with Indigenous communities.
But Paull says while he may have made an error in judgment, he has no plans to leave his position.
“I have four loves,” he said at this week’s meeting. “My wife Pat, my family and friends, my wonderful community of Quesnel, and my faith … I wholeheartedly intend on continuing giving back to my community.”
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Quesnel city council has voted unanimously to censure Mayor Ron Paull, claiming he damaged relations with First Nations. Paull’s wife distributed a book that local First Nations say minimizes the harms of residential schools.
Paull will continue to serve as mayor, as there is no formal mechanism to force elected officials to resign. He will also continue to chair council meetings.
However, council has formally condemned his actions, removed him from several committees, removed his travel budget and will not allow him to act as their representative with First Nations or other external groups.
They have also asked him to issue a formal apology, something which he has so far not done.
Coun. Tony Goulet said the steps were necessary to restore Quesnel’s relationship with First Nations.
“If we don’t have a working relationship with all Indigenous communities, we’re gonna be in trouble,” he said.
Other councillors expressed concern they would not be able to successfully apply for grants or enter partnerships with other levels of government or contractors without taking strong action.
“Our reputation internationally is being damaged on a colossal scale,” said Coun. Scott Elliott. “All the work that we’ve done to rebrand this city has been demolished.”
Council voted to revisit the sanctions in 90 days.
In 2024, Quesnel and the Lhtako First Nation officially partnered as hosts of the B.C. Winter Games, a first for the organization. (Laurey-Anne Roodenburg)
In an interview with CBC News after the meeting, Lhtako Dene band administrator Maynard Bara said his nation was pleased with council’s decision and said from his perspective, “It’s back to business as usual.”
“It’s great to see that city council did the right thing here and now we can move forward,” said Bara, adding that the past several weeks have been painful.
Quesnel has taken major steps in working with the Lhtako Dene, starting with a 2015 agreement which formally acknowledged the nation as partners upon whose land the city was built.
In the years since, it has taken other steps toward what it calls “true reconciliation,” which include restoring ownership of a downtown park to the First Nation and being the first city to officially co-host the B.C. Winter Games with an Indigenous community earlier this year.
Book given out by mayor’s wife
Tuesday’s decision came after several weeks of controversy which started at a council meeting held March 19, with a letter of concern from the Lhtako Dene First Nation.
According to the letter, a person related to a member of council — who Paull would reveal was his wife — had been giving out copies of a book titled Grave Error: How the Media Misled Us (and the Truth about Residential Schools).
The book is a series of essays edited by C.P. Champion and Tom Flanagan, described by its publisher as challenging several assertions made about the harms of residential schools.
People walk on the former grounds of St. Joseph’s Mission Residential School, on March 30, 2022. Many members of the Lhtako Dene First Nation were taken from their community to the school in Williams Lake. (Darryl Dyck/The Canadian Press)
In publicity material for the book, publishers True North and Dorchester Books say statements that residential schools traumatized Indigenous people across generations and destroyed Indigenous languages and culture are either “totally false or grossly exaggerated.”
The book is particularly critical of media reports on the Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation who, in 2021, announced preliminary findings of ground-penetrating radar work at the former Kamloops Residential School.
The nation has said they found anomalies which could be unmarked graves of children who attended the school, while clarifying that that possibility had yet to be confirmed.
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However, the book points out many reports from media and other entities failed to include that context, which the authors say have helped shape a false public narrative of what happened at residential schools.
While some of the essays acknowledge abuse and harm to some children, others challenge the veracity of survivor’s accounts as well as the belief that in its attempt to assimilate Indigenous people, the residential school system amounted to cultural genocide, as determined by the federally-appointed Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada.
That commission heard testimony from more than 6,000 attendees of residential schools across the country, documenting stories of physical, sexual and psychological abuse, harsh punishments and malnourishment.
The letter from the Lhatkao Dene said, weighed against that testimony, the essays in Grave Error amount to “a slap in our people’s collective faces” by denying or minimizing the harms of residential schools that many of its members personally experienced and which are still felt within the community.
In response, Quesnel council, including Paull, voted to denounce the book and reaffirm their relationship with the Lhtako Dene.
Paull said at the meeting he had not personally read the book and that he does not always share the same opinions as his wife.
Controversy grows
However, that did not quell the backlash and on April 2 more than 200 people marched outside Quesnel city hall and called on the mayor to resign.
Inside, elders spoke of their own experiences at residential schools while Lhtako Dene Chief Clifford Lebrun told council his nation could no longer work with the city until the matter was resolved, a position reiterated by other First Nations in the region.
That notice led to this week’s decision by council to formally distance themselves from the mayor.
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Lhtako Dene elder Bryant Paul, who attended St. Joseph Mission residential school, speaks to Quesnel city council on Apr. 2, 2024.
Paull opened the discussion about the possibility of being censured with a statement, saying the anger toward him was “all based on a misunderstanding.”
“I was accused of handing out and distributing the book,” he said. “I have not read the book.”
In a written statement to CBC News, Cariboo Regional District Chair Margo Wagner said that in her recollection of events, “Mayor Paull had a copy of the book and asked me if I was interested in reading the book as it was an interesting read. I politely declined and said I was not interested and walked away from the conversation.”
100 Mile House Mayor Maureen Pinkney gave a similar response in an interview with the Quesnel Cariboo Observer, in which she is quoted saying Paull “casually asked if I was familiar with the book and did I want to read it?”
Paull has not responded to interview requests from CBC News, but at the council meeting he said he was simply trying to use the book as a talking point for discussions about what sort of literature might or might not be allowed in local libraries.
But Coun. Laurey-Anne Roodenburg said the issue had moved beyond the book itself.
“I don’t care if you read the book – I bought it online and I want my money back,” she said.
“It’s about leadership and what’s transpired as a leader.”
On April 30, Quesnel city council voted unanimously to censure Mayor Ron Paull. Paull recused himself from the vote, citing conflict of interest. (City of Quesnel)
She and other councillors expressed disappointment that Paull’s story around whether he had ever recommended the book had changed over the weeks, and questioned if he was being truthful.
Councillors also spoke about the amount of scrutiny the episode had placed on them under.
“It has taken a toll,” said Goulet. “We’re all getting calls, we’re getting emails.”
Coun. Debra McKelvie said she had experienced multiple sleepless nights.
Lhtako Dene’s Maynard Bara said he and Chief Clifford LeBrun had also been getting “hate mail,” from people who disagreed with the decision from the First Nation and Quesnel’s council.
Among those who have been critical is Grave Error editor and contributor Tom Flanagan, who wrote that what was happening in Quesnel is similar to “totalitarian societies” accusing its members of “thought-crime,” while fellow editor C.P. Champion argued in a press release that council is “preventing the truth from coming out.”
But Goulet reiterated council never attempted to ban the book or prevent anyone from reading it.
“To me, denouncing was we weren’t going to promote the book. We weren’t going to talk about it. We were going to leave it at that.”
Goulet and the rest of council expressed hope that Paull would eventually apologize and his duties could be restored, but said that decision would not be made without first consulting First Nations.
OTTAWA – The New Democrats confirmed Thursday they won’t help Pierre Poilievre’s Conservatives topple the government next week, and intend to join the Bloc Québécois in blocking the Tories’ non-confidence motion.
The planned votes from the Bloc and the New Democrats eliminate the possibility of a snap election, buying the Liberals more time to govern after a raucous start to the fall sitting of Parliament.
Poilievre issued a challenge to NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh earlier this week when he announced he will put forward a motion that simply states that the House has no confidence in the government or the prime minister.
If it were to pass, it would likely mean Canadians would be heading to the polls, but Singh said Thursday he’s not going to let Poilievre tell him what to do.
Voting against the Conservative motion doesn’t mean the NDP support the Liberals, said Singh, who pulled out of his political pact with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau a few weeks ago.
“I stand by my words, Trudeau has let you down,” Singh said in the foyer outside of the House of Commons Thursday.
“Trudeau has let you down and does not deserve another chance.”
Canadians will have to make that choice at the ballot box, Singh said, but he will make a decision about whether to help trigger that election on a vote-by-vote basis in the House.
The Conservatives mocked the NDP during Question Period for saying they had “ripped up” the deal to support the Liberals, despite plans to vote to keep them in power.
Poilievre accused Singh of pretending to pull out of the deal to sway voters in a federal byelection in Winnipeg, where the NDP was defending its long-held seat against the Conservatives.
“Once the votes were counted, he betrayed them again. He’s a fake, a phoney and fraud. How can anyone ever believe what the sellout NDP leader says in the future?” Poilievre said during Question Period Thursday afternoon.
At some point after those comments, Singh stepped out from behind his desk in the House and a two-minute shouting match ensued between the two leaders and their MPs before the Speaker intervened.
Outside the House, Poilievre said he plans to put forward another non-confidence motion at the next opportunity.
“We want a carbon-tax election as soon as possible, so that we can axe Trudeau’s tax before he quadruples it to 61 cents a litre,” he said.
Liberal House leader Karina Gould says there is much work the government still needs to do, and that Singh has realized the consequences of potentially bringing down the government. She refused to take questions about whether her government will negotiate with opposition parties to ensure their support in future confidence motions.
Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet hasn’t ruled out voting no-confidence in the government the next time a motion is tabled.
“I never support Liberals. Help me God, I go against the Conservatives on a vote that is only about Pierre Poilievre and his huge ambition for himself,” Blanchet said Thursday.
“I support the interests of Quebecers, if those interests are also good for Canadians.”
A Bloc bill to increase pension cheques for seniors aged 65 to 74 is now at “the very centre of the survival of this government,” he said.
The Bloc needs a recommendation from a government minister to OK the cost and get the bill through the House.
The Bloc also wants to see more protections for supply management in the food sector in Canada and Quebec.
If the Liberals can’t deliver on those two things, they will fall, Blanchet said.
“This is what we call power,” he said.
Treasury Board President Anita Anand wouldn’t say whether the government would be willing to swallow the financial implications of the Bloc’s demands.
“We are focused at Treasury Board on ensuring prudent fiscal management,” she said Thursday.
“And at this time, our immediate focus is implementing the measures in budget 2024 that were announced earlier this year.”
This report by The Canadian Press was first published Sept. 19, 2024.
OTTAWA – Treasury Board President Anita Anand has been sworn in as federal transport minister at a ceremony at Rideau Hall, taking over a portfolio left vacant after Pablo Rodriguez resigned from cabinet and the Liberal caucus on Thursday.
Anand thanked Rodriguez for his contributions to the government and the country, saying she’s grateful for his guidance and friendship.
She sidestepped a question about the message it sends to have him leave the federal Liberal fold.
“That is a decision that he made independently, and I wish him well,” she said.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was not present for the swearing-in ceremony, nor were any other members of the Liberal government.
The shakeup in cabinet comes just days after the Liberals lost a key seat in a Montreal byelection to the Bloc Québécois and amid renewed calls for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to step down and make way for a new leader.
Anand said she is not actively seeking leadership of the party, saying she is focused on her roles as minister and as MP.
“My view is that we are a team, and we are a team that has to keep delivering for our country,” she said.
The minority Liberal government is in a more challenging position in the House of Commons after the NDP ended a supply-and-confidence deal that provided parliamentary stability for more than two years.
Non-confidence votes are guaranteed to come from the Opposition Conservatives, who are eager to bring the government down.
On Thursday morning, Rodriguez made a symbolic walk over the Alexandra Bridge from Parliament Hill to Gatineau, Que., where he formally announced his plans to run for the Quebec Liberal party leadership.
He said he will now sit as an Independent member of Parliament, which will allow him to focus on his own priorities.
“I was defending the priorities of the government, and I did it in a very loyal way,” he said.
“It’s normal and it’s what I had to do. But now it’s more about my vision, the vision of the team that I’m building.”
Rodriguez said he will stay on as an MP until the Quebec Liberal leadership campaign officially launches in January.
He said that will “avoid a costly byelection a few weeks, or months, before a general election.”
The next federal election must be held by October 2025.
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said he will try to topple the government sooner than that, beginning with a non-confidence motion that is set to be debated Sept. 24 and voted on Sept. 25.
Poilievre has called on the NDP and the Bloc Québécois to support him, but both Jagmeet Singh and Yves-François Blanchet have said they will not support the Conservatives.
Rodriguez said he doesn’t want a federal election right away and will vote against the non-confidence motion.
As for how he would vote on other matters before the House of Commons, “it would depend on the votes.”
Public Services and Procurement Minister Jean-Yves Duclos will become the government’s new Quebec lieutenant, a non-cabinet role Rodriguez held since 2019.
This report by The Canadian Press was first published Sept. 19, 2024.
— With files from Nojoud Al Mallees and Dylan Robertson
