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Now comes the hard part.

Finance Minister Bill Morneau has, in the space of a few months, approved the spending of nearly $200 billion in federal aid in a deliberate effort to shut down huge portions of Canadian society so that a contagious disease could be contained. Whole new programs have been created and adjusted in a fraction of the time normally required for governments to design and implement new initiatives.

While the virus still poses a threat, the goal of governments now is to restart the economy — or at least as much of it as can be safely restarted. Then, at some later date, it will be time to repair and rebuild.

“What I’ve been saying to to the prime minister and to my colleagues is that as hard as it’s been over the last few months … we’ll look back and say that it was tense and and urgent, but some of the really tough choices will still be to come,” Morneau said in an interview this week.

“Because we’ll need to think about where we invest and how we support people without creating bad incentives. So those are going to be tough, tough choices.”

Wake-up call in Riyadh

Morneau said the scale of the crisis started to become clear to him during a meeting of the G20’s finance ministers in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia in late February.

“I literally watched the Italian finance minister as he got a note to his desk telling him about the outbreak they had in northern Italy,” Morneau said. “Within the next hour or so, he raised his hand to say, ‘This looks like it’s going to be much more significant than we could have imagined.'”

Morneau’s office was in the late stages of finalizing the federal budget at the time; the plan was to dedicate a chapter of that budget to COVID-19 measures. In short order, however, the pandemic shoved aside all plans for a budget.

Changes to Employment Insurance were followed by the creation of two new benefits to help those who couldn’t work. A week later, those two benefits were subsumed by the new Canada Emergency Response Benefit. A wage subsidy to cover 10 per cent of an employee’s earnings was introduced. Widely criticized as too modest, the wage subsidy was subsequently increased to 75 per cent.

Both the CERB and the Canadian Emergency Wage Subsidy required the design of entirely new systems to deliver the funding.

How fast is fast enough?

In its most recent report to the House of Commons finance committee, the government listed 51 initiatives totalling $174 billion in direct supports for individuals and businesses.

All along, there were complaints that the Liberals weren’t moving fast enough or far enough. In April, the Globe and Mail reported grumbles from within government that the Department of Finance had been slow to meet the moment.

“I think when we look back five or ten years from now at the story of the pandemic response, I think the story will be that we acted in scale and with speed that was unfathomable for governments prior to this pandemic,” Morneau said.

“There were literally midnight calls with the people at the Canada Revenue Agency [or] the people who deliver the Employment Insurance system, thinking through every possible way, including the banking system, of getting funds out.”

Both things could be true, of course. The government may have moved with unprecedented speed and scale — and it may have been better off moving even faster.

Successes and failures

Asked if there’s anything he wishes he’d done differently, Morneau points to the federal government’s commercial rent relief program with the provinces, which struggled to gain traction. It might have been more effective out of the gate, he said, if it had been combined with “restrictions on commercial evictions for this period, which would have allowed it to to start with a bigger bang.”

The successes and failures of the Liberal response will be debated for years to come, but recent analysis by economists at Scotiabank estimated that federal aid at least provided a backstop for the economy — turning what could have been a drop of 10.3 per cent in real GDP into a drop of 7.3 per cent.

A closed store front boutique business called Francis Watson pleads for help in Toronto, Many businesses are likely to go bankrupt due to the COVID-19 pandemic. (Nathan Denette/The Canadian Press)

Morneau will release a new official deficit estimate on Wednesday, but the Parliamentary Budget Officer has projected a shortfall of $256 billion — a level of spending not seen since the Second World War.

“I think the essential frame from my standpoint [is] we took on the debt so Canadians didn’t have to,” Morneau said. “We were in the position to take on the investments required because we had the capacity and the ability to deliver at scale that would only be possible for the federal government.”

Scotiabank’s analysis suggests that not spending that money would have led to a weaker economy and an only slightly lower level of government debt. But Conservatives argue Morneau shouldn’t have run a series of deficits in the four years leading up to the current crisis.

An unlikely politician

Morneau has neither the political cachet nor the record of balanced budgets of his predecessors Paul Martin and Jim Flaherty. He has stiffly struggled with the public business of politics (Conservative finance critic Pierre Poilievre continues to torment him at every available opportunity) while having to defend the deficits from 2015 to 2019.

Whatever else Morneau could say about the federal government’s actions, it wasn’t obvious that he had put it on a fiscally unimpeachable path before the pandemic hit.

His lack of political polish has been a hindrance for the government. But Trudeau has kept Morneau in place; in the last 50 years, only Martin, Flaherty and Michael Wilson have held the job longer. And Morneau has had his moments — negotiating an expansion of the Canada Pension Plan, new health accords with the provinces and the purchase of the Trans Mountain pipeline.

Leader of the Government in the House of Commons Pablo Rodriguez speaks with Minister of Finance Bill Morneau before a hearing of the pandemic committee May 13, 2020 in Ottawa. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)

Those who have worked with Morneau describe a serious and analytical minister; one Liberal source described him as a “Blue Liberal” who leans toward fiscal prudence but is not ideological. They say he’s said “no” to more spending requests than he’s given credit for publicly, but has also learned to seek consensus when ministers present him with new proposals.

That task — of balancing priorities — is now a massive one. “I think the tightrope,” said Mike Moffatt, an economist with the Ivey Business School and the Smart Prosperity Institute, “is getting people back to work but in a safe way.”

The government built a system to help people stay home. Now, with the spread of the virus tamped down, it wants to get as many people as possible working again. In theory, the CERB could act as a disincentive to work. But if the supports are withdrawn too quickly, many could be forced into unsafe work situations.

Kevin Milligan, an economist at the University of British Columbia who recently joined the Privy Council Office as a special adviser, has laid out a plan that would see CERB recipients transferred to the EI system, with special attention paid to parents of young children, the self-employed and those with health concerns.

A woman checks out a jobs ad in Toronto on Wednesday, April 29, 2020. (Nathan Denette/The Canadian Press)

“Our vision is that the wage subsidy needs to continue to support businesses as they get back to work … and, as that happens, the reliance on the CERB and the Employment Insurance system will reduce,” Morneau said. “But we do need to continue to recognize that there’ll be a significant number of people that won’t get back to their previous situation immediately.

“So we need to transition the CERB and the EI system so that we have the ability to support those people. How we exactly do that is something we’re working on. But clearly, we want to use the existing infrastructure of our Employment Insurance system to support people who need retraining and to think about what their next steps are.”

A stop-and-go recovery

The wage subsidy, Morneau said, could be tweaked both to expand the number of businesses eligible for it and to adjust the amount of revenue that a company is allowed to earn.

“As we redesign the wage subsidy, we’re thinking about broadening the number of organizations that can make use of that to get them closer and closer to their pre-pandemic revenue,” he said. “And that will allow them to bring people back to work in a way that makes sense for their business without the disincentive.”

Moffatt said the restart is unlikely to be “linear” — that parts of the economy could be turned on and off as outbreaks and new infections occur. A second wave of COVID-19 is still a significant threat.

But even if the federal government manages to adjust its support programs successfully, many working parents will be unable to return fully to work if they lack access to child care and schooling — services that fall under provincial jurisdiction.

A lack of child care options remains an obstacle to returning many Canadians to the workplace. (Ted S. Warren/The Associated Press)

Morneau said he’s “worried” about child care. “That’s why we’ve put in the discussions with the provinces a concern around child care, with specific dollars that we think need to be allocated to creating the necessary supports,” he said.

“Obviously, this is going to be something that will be dynamic, because the situation in the fall is going to be very much related to the health outcomes. And it’s going to have to be collaborative between the federal government and the provinces and businesses to a certain extent …”

The rebuilding phase

The federal government has offered the provinces $14 billion to cover costs related to personal protective equipment, testing and tracing, and child care. But provinces have complained about the sums being offered and the federal government’s insistence on the funds being used for specific purposes.

The restart should eventually set up a recovery phase, when the damage can be assessed and a concerted effort to rebuild can begin. That will present another profound challenge.

The federal government is going to be under pressure to address income and risk inequities in the working world that were exposed by the pandemic. (Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press)

The economy is not likely to return to full power immediately. Some businesses and jobs will be permanently lost. There will be demands to address both the vulnerabilities the pandemic exposed (long-term care, child care, precarious work and income inequality) and to seize the moment to build for the future (with a focus on green investments). All that will contend with a need to show that the federal government’s debt can be kept within a manageable range.

Morneau talks about investing in “the gaps that we’ve unearthed” and paying attention to those in vulnerable positions (young people, women and those in low-paid jobs), while looking ahead to where the Liberals think the economy needs to go. “You’ve heard us talk about investing for a green economy,” he said. “We know that’ll be important.”

‘Selling’ the recovery plan

The Scotiabank report noted that Canada’s net and gross government debt still compare favourably to other G7 countries, but one major rating agency has now downgraded Canada’s credit rating. The task of managing and selling the government’s approach to the deficit will be a significant test of Morneau’s ability to project strength and credibility.

“Morneau’s actually going to have to really sell what he’s doing,” Moffatt said, “because I don’t think there is going to be an obvious answer. There is going to be a lot of debate about what should our emphasis be, on reducing the deficit relative to stimulus spending and helping out portions of the economy that are still hurting.”

Tax increases are “not on our agenda” because they might hold back the recovery, Morneau said.

The shape of future spending restraint is less clear. The Liberals came to power arguing that prioritizing balanced budgets above all else was misguided.

The Conservatives presumably will argue for a harder line on the deficit, but Morneau suggested the Liberals’ post-pandemic approach will be broadly in line with their pre-pandemic philosophy.

“What we did with the first four years of government is we made those investments in people. We created the employment growth together with Canadians. That got us into a very strong position,” he said. “We did it while being fiscally responsible, reducing the debt and the deficit as a function of our economy.

“That’s why we want to get back to. We want to get back to making those investments that are going to enable us to grow together and create opportunities. Obviously, we’ve had a huge shock … but the only way to deal with that is if we get back to investing for growth and for employment and for the kind of economic opportunities that come from that. That’s the recipe.”

That might sound easy. It won’t be.

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Statistics Canada reports wholesale sales higher in July

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OTTAWA – Statistics Canada says wholesale sales, excluding petroleum, petroleum products, and other hydrocarbons and excluding oilseed and grain, rose 0.4 per cent to $82.7 billion in July.

The increase came as sales in the miscellaneous subsector gained three per cent to reach $10.5 billion in July, helped by strength in the agriculture supplies industry group, which rose 9.2 per cent.

The food, beverage and tobacco subsector added 1.7 per cent to total $15 billion in July.

The personal and household goods subsector fell 2.5 per cent to $12.1 billion.

In volume terms, overall wholesale sales rose 0.5 per cent in July.

Statistics Canada started including oilseed and grain as well as the petroleum and petroleum products subsector as part of wholesale trade last year, but is excluding the data from monthly analysis until there is enough historical data.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Sept. 13, 2024.

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B.C.’s debt and deficit forecast to rise as the provincial election nears

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VICTORIA – British Columbia is forecasting a record budget deficit and a rising debt of almost $129 billion less than two weeks before the start of a provincial election campaign where economic stability and future progress are expected to be major issues.

Finance Minister Katrine Conroy, who has announced her retirement and will not seek re-election in the Oct. 19 vote, said Tuesday her final budget update as minister predicts a deficit of $8.9 billion, up $1.1 billion from a forecast she made earlier this year.

Conroy said she acknowledges “challenges” facing B.C., including three consecutive deficit budgets, but expected improved economic growth where the province will start to “turn a corner.”

The $8.9 billion deficit forecast for 2024-2025 is followed by annual deficit projections of $6.7 billion and $6.1 billion in 2026-2027, Conroy said at a news conference outlining the government’s first quarterly financial update.

Conroy said lower corporate income tax and natural resource revenues and the increased cost of fighting wildfires have had some of the largest impacts on the budget.

“I want to acknowledge the economic uncertainties,” she said. “While global inflation is showing signs of easing and we’ve seen cuts to the Bank of Canada interest rates, we know that the challenges are not over.”

Conroy said wildfire response costs are expected to total $886 million this year, more than $650 million higher than originally forecast.

Corporate income tax revenue is forecast to be $638 million lower as a result of federal government updates and natural resource revenues are down $299 million due to lower prices for natural gas, lumber and electricity, she said.

Debt-servicing costs are also forecast to be $344 million higher due to the larger debt balance, the current interest rate and accelerated borrowing to ensure services and capital projects are maintained through the province’s election period, said Conroy.

B.C.’s economic growth is expected to strengthen over the next three years, but the timing of a return to a balanced budget will fall to another minister, said Conroy, who was addressing what likely would be her last news conference as Minister of Finance.

The election is expected to be called on Sept. 21, with the vote set for Oct. 19.

“While we are a strong province, people are facing challenges,” she said. “We have never shied away from taking those challenges head on, because we want to keep British Columbians secure and help them build good lives now and for the long term. With the investments we’re making and the actions we’re taking to support people and build a stronger economy, we’ve started to turn a corner.”

Premier David Eby said before the fiscal forecast was released Tuesday that the New Democrat government remains committed to providing services and supports for people in British Columbia and cuts are not on his agenda.

Eby said people have been hurt by high interest costs and the province is facing budget pressures connected to low resource prices, high wildfire costs and struggling global economies.

The premier said that now is not the time to reduce supports and services for people.

Last month’s year-end report for the 2023-2024 budget saw the province post a budget deficit of $5.035 billion, down from the previous forecast of $5.9 billion.

Eby said he expects government financial priorities to become a major issue during the upcoming election, with the NDP pledging to continue to fund services and the B.C. Conservatives looking to make cuts.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Sept. 10, 2024.

Note to readers: This is a corrected story. A previous version said the debt would be going up to more than $129 billion. In fact, it will be almost $129 billion.

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NANAIMO, B.C. – Former Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney says he’ll be advising the Liberal party to flip some the challenges posed by an increasingly divided and dangerous world into an economic opportunity for Canada.

But he won’t say what his specific advice will be on economic issues that are politically divisive in Canada, like the carbon tax.

He presented his vision for the Liberals’ economic policy at the party’s caucus retreat in Nanaimo, B.C. today, after he agreed to help the party prepare for the next election as chair of a Liberal task force on economic growth.

Carney has been touted as a possible leadership contender to replace Justin Trudeau, who has said he has tried to coax Carney into politics for years.

Carney says if the prime minister asks him to do something he will do it to the best of his ability, but won’t elaborate on whether the new adviser role could lead to him adding his name to a ballot in the next election.

Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland says she has been taking advice from Carney for years, and that his new position won’t infringe on her role.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Sept. 10, 2024.

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