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Amazon gives customer runaround after $2,100 watch missing from delivered package

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Leo Chteinberg lives in the small town of Tahsis, B.C. — a remote community nestled between the mountains and the ocean on the west coast of Vancouver Island.

The software engineer moved there from Vancouver four years ago. It is “one of the most beautiful places I’d ever seen,” he said.

Because of Tahsis’s rural setting, Chteinberg says he does almost all of his shopping online.

In October, he placed an Amazon order for a $2,100 Garmin watch. Ten days later, he received a notice that his package was at the local Canada Post office and headed straight over to pick up his package.

“I opened it right away because I was looking forward to it,” said Chteinberg. But the package was empty.

He says what’s followed has been “a nightmare” — many frustrating phone calls and emails with Amazon, with no resolution.

Online shopping in Canada continues to boom after the pandemic. According to Statistics Canada, sales hit $3.8 billion in August, up almost $400 million over August 2020. South of the border, Amazon dominates the e-commerce market. The company reported global net sales of $514 billion US last year.

 

Amazon customer shares refund battle over pricey watch that never arrived

 

Featured VideoBritish Columbia man Leo Chteinberg told CBC’s Go Public about his battle with Amazon over a pricey watch he never received. He’s now out more than $2,000 but Amazon won’t reimburse him.

Social media platforms such as Reddit are full of stories from Amazon customers battling over packages that weren’t delivered, contained the wrong item, no item or the contents of which appeared to be stolen.

Most people with smaller orders say they’ve had little trouble getting their money back. But it’s a different story for customers with pricier disputes like Chteinberg. Many say they have to leap through hoops to get a replacement or refund.

In an effort to weed out fraudsters, Amazon purposely makes the process challenging on big-ticket items, according to an industry expert.

“[They have] built-in obstacles,” said Eddie Ning, an assistant professor of marketing and behavioural science at UBC’s Sauder School of Business. “The company only has to pay those most-persistent consumers.”

Amazon spokesperson Barbara Agrait declined an interview request from Go Public.

In an emailed statement, Agrait wrote that Amazon is “working directly with the customer to investigate the circumstances in this case.”

Chteinberg says he hasn’t heard anything from Amazon beyond the customer service reps who shut him down on the phone several weeks ago.

Tampered package

Chteinberg says he was recently diagnosed with diabetes and high cholesterol and wanted a watch to help with exercise and fitness routines.

He says he was “willing to pay more” for the Garmin, which monitors vitals such as heart rate and blood oxygen levels.

When he received the notification that it had arrived, Chteinberg says he raced to the post office.

“I told myself, ‘I can’t believe I’m going to have it in 30 minutes,'” he said. “And I guess I was right — I didn’t have it in 30 minutes.”

A drone shot of a small row of houses at the base of lush green trees on the side of a mountain.
Chteinberg lives in Tahsis, B.C., a remote community on the west coast of Vancouver Island. (Submitted by Gord Kurbis)

Instead, a corner of the package appeared to be torn. He left the post office and opened the box immediately. The watch box inside was empty, except for a spare silicone watch strap and some papers from Garmin.

As soon as he got home, he emailed Amazon customer service and received a reply several hours later.

“Based on our investigation and your statements, it seems that the item has been stolen by a third party,” said the customer service rep. “We urge you to contact your local police department.”

Go Public asked Amazon how it determined the item was stolen by a third party, but Agrait, the spokesperson, would not answer the question. Nor would she say what procedures are in place to ensure that items ordered from Amazon get shipped from the company’s warehouses intact.

Chteinberg called Nootka RCMP, which oversees several jurisdictions including Tahsis, and an officer took a statement on the phone.

He then went online and filled out a local RCMP report, and sent it to Amazon.

A screenshot from Amazon's website of a black watch with a thick wristband and large face. Details about the item are listed in small font on the right.
Chteinberg ordered this Garmin watch, hoping to use it for a new fitness regime and outdoor activities. (amazon.ca)

That’s when things started to get frustrating, says Chteinberg.

Later that same day, he got an email back from Amazon, saying in order for the police report to be validated, “it must be reported in the local jurisdiction … in which the package was reported delivered.”

The email also claimed the police report was missing key information, such as the name of the police detachment and the date the report was created.

Chteinberg wrote back, attaching additional screen shots from Nootka Sound RCMP’s website, indicating the detachment’s jurisdiction and contact details.

“They can go online and verify if they want to — all the information is available,” he said. “I do not control the format of the police report.”

He says he sent numerous emails to Amazon but kept getting the same unhelpful response — emails saying the company could not provide any assistance.

‘Be persistent,’ says industry expert

 

Featured VideoEddie Ning, an assistant professor at UBC’s Sauder School of Business, shares advice for how to get your money back after a delivery mishap — and how to avoid the hassle in the first place.

Chteinberg says he also made half a dozen phone calls to Amazon — each time, wading through a 20-minute process to speak to a human being — but repeatedly reached customer service reps he says seemed to just want to end the call.

“They were just telling me, ‘The manager already determined that this is invalid, we’re going to hang up,'” he said. “It’s as frustrating as it can possibly be.”

Go Public asked Agrait, at Amazon, what information was missing to move ahead with Chteinberg’s complain — she declined to answer.

Ning, at UBC, says a customer’s experience can often become extremely frustrating if the process of getting a refund involves outside parties, such as the police.

“There’s a lot of opportunities for something to go wrong in that process. You kind of get stuck … and no one really has the incentive to push it forward,” he said. “I think at that moment, a lot of [customers] have the urge to just hang up and quit.”

A worker in black-and-blue vest lifts a large package out of an Amazon delivery truck.
According to Statistics Canada, online sales hit $3.8 billion in August, up almost $400 million over August 2020. Amazon reported global net sales of $514 billion US last year. (David Zalubowski/The Associated Press)

He says a customer’s decision to give up is profitable for Amazon, since the company doesn’t lose money in such cases.

Making the customer experience better becomes less of a priority, says Ning. “There’s no incentive to move away from [frustrating practices].”

An RCMP spokesperson told Go Public in an email that it’s extremely difficult to attempt to track all the movements of a package and the people who may have encountered it along the way and said there are “no identified avenues of investigation” in this case.

An exterior photo of a small office with a rectangular sign on the lawn that says Royal Canadian Mountain Police in both languages.
Chteinberg’s home is in the Nootka Sound RCMP’s jurisdiction. Chteinberg filed an online police report through the detachment’s website — but Amazon said it was missing information. (Submitted by Gord Kurbis)

The spokesperson also said Amazon has not contacted the RCMP.

Canada Post told Go Public that Canadians should trust the mail service and that reported incidents will be investigated. The Tahsis postmaster told the RCMP the package appeared to have been tampered with when it arrived.

Scotiabank Visa, the card he paid with, was unable to help because Chteinberg had authorized the purchase.

A spokesperson for Scotiabank also said purchase protection on credit cards does not cover items ordered through the mail until they are “received and accepted” by the card holder.

Some provinces have consumer protection laws that could be used to squeeze a refund out of Amazon, but in B.C. those laws only apply to online orders that companies don’t fulfill — not cases of apparent theft.

The province runs an online Civil Resolution Tribunal for small claims up to $5,000, which Chteinberg could access, but says that’s a hassle he doesn’t think he should have to go through. He says Amazon should ante up.

“I ordered it, I paid them and they failed to deliver,” he said. “So it is on them to refund me.”

Meantime, he says, he’ll vote with his wallet — order online from other companies and try, when possible, to shop local.

“I’ve been [an Amazon] customer for decades,” he said. “I’m not going to be one anymore.”

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Telus prioritizing ‘most important customers,’ avoiding ‘unprofitable’ offers: CFO

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Telus Corp. says it is avoiding offering “unprofitable” discounts as fierce competition in the Canadian telecommunications sector shows no sign of slowing down.

The company said Friday it had fewer net new customers during its third quarter compared with the same time last year, as it copes with increasingly “aggressive marketing and promotional pricing” that is prompting more customers to switch providers.

Telus said it added 347,000 net new customers, down around 14.5 per cent compared with last year. The figure includes 130,000 mobile phone subscribers and 34,000 internet customers, down 30,000 and 3,000, respectively, year-over-year.

The company reported its mobile phone churn rate — a metric measuring subscribers who cancelled their services — was 1.09 per cent in the third quarter, up from 1.03 per cent in the third quarter of 2023. That included a postpaid mobile phone churn rate of 0.90 per cent in its latest quarter.

Telus said its focus is on customer retention through its “industry-leading service and network quality, along with successful promotions and bundled offerings.”

“The customers we have are the most important customers we can get,” said chief financial officer Doug French in an interview.

“We’ve, again, just continued to focus on what matters most to our customers, from a product and customer service perspective, while not loading unprofitable customers.”

Meanwhile, Telus reported its net income attributable to common shares more than doubled during its third quarter.

The telecommunications company said it earned $280 million, up 105.9 per cent from the same three-month period in 2023. Earnings per diluted share for the quarter ended Sept. 30 was 19 cents compared with nine cents a year earlier.

It reported adjusted net income was $413 million, up 10.7 per cent year-over-year from $373 million in the same quarter last year. Operating revenue and other income for the quarter was $5.1 billion, up 1.8 per cent from the previous year.

Mobile phone average revenue per user was $58.85 in the third quarter, a decrease of $2.09 or 3.4 per cent from a year ago. Telus said the drop was attributable to customers signing up for base rate plans with lower prices, along with a decline in overage and roaming revenues.

It said customers are increasingly adopting unlimited data and Canada-U.S. plans which provide higher and more stable ARPU on a monthly basis.

“In a tough operating environment and relative to peers, we view Q3 results that were in line to slightly better than forecast as the best of the bunch,” said RBC analyst Drew McReynolds in a note.

Scotiabank analyst Maher Yaghi added that “the telecom industry in Canada remains very challenging for all players, however, Telus has been able to face these pressures” and still deliver growth.

The Big 3 telecom providers — which also include Rogers Communications Inc. and BCE Inc. — have frequently stressed that the market has grown more competitive in recent years, especially after the closing of Quebecor Inc.’s purchase of Freedom Mobile in April 2023.

Hailed as a fourth national carrier, Quebecor has invested in enhancements to Freedom’s network while offering more affordable plans as part of a set of commitments it was mandated by Ottawa to agree to.

The cost of telephone services in September was down eight per cent compared with a year earlier, according to Statistics Canada’s most recent inflation report last month.

“I think competition has been and continues to be, I’d say, quite intense in Canada, and we’ve obviously had to just manage our business the way we see fit,” said French.

Asked how long that environment could last, he said that’s out of Telus’ hands.

“What I can control, though, is how we go to market and how we lead with our products,” he said.

“I think the conditions within the market will have to adjust accordingly over time. We’ve continued to focus on digitization, continued to bring our cost structure down to compete, irrespective of the price and the current market conditions.”

Still, Canada’s telecom regulator continues to warn providers about customers facing more charges on their cellphone and internet bills.

On Tuesday, CRTC vice-president of consumer, analytics and strategy Scott Hutton called on providers to ensure they clearly inform their customers of charges such as early cancellation fees.

That followed statements from the regulator in recent weeks cautioning against rising international roaming fees and “surprise” price increases being found on their bills.

Hutton said the CRTC plans to launch public consultations in the coming weeks that will focus “on ensuring that information is clear and consistent, making it easier to compare offers and switch services or providers.”

“The CRTC is concerned with recent trends, which suggest that Canadians may not be benefiting from the full protections of our codes,” he said.

“We will continue to monitor developments and will take further action if our codes are not being followed.”

French said any initiative to boost transparency is a step in the right direction.

“I can’t say we are perfect across the board, but what I can say is we are absolutely taking it under consideration and trying to be the best at communicating with our customers,” he said.

“I think everyone looking in the mirror would say there’s room for improvement.”

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Nov. 8, 2024.

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TC Energy cuts cost estimate for Southeast Gateway pipeline project in Mexico

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CALGARY – TC Energy Corp. has lowered the estimated cost of its Southeast Gateway pipeline project in Mexico.

It says it now expects the project to cost between US$3.9 billion and US$4.1 billion compared with its original estimate of US$4.5 billion.

The change came as the company reported a third-quarter profit attributable to common shareholders of C$1.46 billion or $1.40 per share compared with a loss of C$197 million or 19 cents per share in the same quarter last year.

Revenue for the quarter ended Sept. 30 totalled C$4.08 billion, up from C$3.94 billion in the third quarter of 2023.

TC Energy says its comparable earnings for its latest quarter amounted to C$1.03 per share compared with C$1.00 per share a year earlier.

The average analyst estimate had been for a profit of 95 cents per share, according to LSEG Data & Analytics.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Nov. 7, 2024.

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BCE reports Q3 loss on asset impairment charge, cuts revenue guidance

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BCE Inc. reported a loss in its latest quarter as it recorded $2.11 billion in asset impairment charges, mainly related to Bell Media’s TV and radio properties.

The company says its net loss attributable to common shareholders amounted to $1.24 billion or $1.36 per share for the quarter ended Sept. 30 compared with a profit of $640 million or 70 cents per share a year earlier.

On an adjusted basis, BCE says it earned 75 cents per share in its latest quarter compared with an adjusted profit of 81 cents per share in the same quarter last year.

“Bell’s results for the third quarter demonstrate that we are disciplined in our pursuit of profitable growth in an intensely competitive environment,” BCE chief executive Mirko Bibic said in a statement.

“Our focus this quarter, and throughout 2024, has been to attract higher-margin subscribers and reduce costs to help offset short-term revenue impacts from sustained competitive pricing pressures, slow economic growth and a media advertising market that is in transition.”

Operating revenue for the quarter totalled $5.97 billion, down from $6.08 billion in its third quarter of 2023.

BCE also said it now expects its revenue for 2024 to fall about 1.5 per cent compared with earlier guidance for an increase of zero to four per cent.

The company says the change comes as it faces lower-than-anticipated wireless product revenue and sustained pressure on wireless prices.

BCE added 33,111 net postpaid mobile phone subscribers, down 76.8 per cent from the same period last year, which was the company’s second-best performance on the metric since 2010.

It says the drop was driven by higher customer churn — a measure of subscribers who cancelled their service — amid greater competitive activity and promotional offer intensity. BCE’s monthly churn rate for the category was 1.28 per cent, up from 1.1 per cent during its previous third quarter.

The company also saw 11.6 per cent fewer gross subscriber activations “due to more targeted promotional offers and mobile device discounting compared to last year.”

Bell’s wireless mobile phone average revenue per user was $58.26, down 3.4 per cent from $60.28 in the third quarter of the prior year.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Nov. 7, 2024.

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