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Biden, Trump have debated before, but now the men and politics are vastly different

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When Joe Biden and Donald Trump face off on stage in Atlanta, it will mark the first time a sitting president and a former president have ever debated.

The two have famously squared off before, of course, in 2020, but while the candidates on stage will be the same on Thursday, the men and political circumstances are vastly different in ways that present new challenges for both.

Above all, the consequential rematch is a rare opportunity for both to dramatically change the trajectories of their campaigns heading into a close election’s final months.

“I think it’s going to be an historic and epic debate,” presidential historian Douglas Brinkley told ABC News. “The fact is that with Trump and Biden, it’s the first time ever that we’ve had two people that have been president going at each other.”

What we learned from 2020

What Americans witnessed twice in 2020 — the first time Biden and Trump went head-to-head for the White House — could provide clues about what to expect now in 2024 inside the CNN studio on Thursday.

The first Biden-Trump debate in 2020 was a chaotic clash filled with personal attacks. Moderator Chris Wallace of Fox News raised his voice to scold the candidates over their constant interruptions, most of which came from Trump. At one point, Biden turned to his opponent and said, “Will you shut up, man?”

Their second meeting that year was, by contrast, more civil, as some microphone muting was introduced, and allowed time for the candidates to dive deeper into policy disputes.

A key question for Thursday, then, is which version American voters will see.

In this Oct. 22, 2020 file photo President Donald Trump speaks as Joe Biden, 2020 Democratic presidential nominee, left, listens during the presidential debate at Belmont University in Nashville, Tenn.

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“I always like to watch how the candidates treat one another,” said Alan Schroeder, a professor emeritus of journalism at Northeastern University who has written several books about presidential debates.

“In this case, there’s a lot of animosity between the two of them, obviously, looking at their history of having debated before,” Schroeder said. “Added on to that is Trump’s claim that he didn’t lose the election. And so there’s just this undercurrent of hostility that I’ll be looking to see how that manifests itself in the debate.”

The first debate in 2020 proved unpopular with viewers, and for Trump. Polls found Biden was considered the winner of both matches, and it provided a boost to his campaign.

Now, the roles are reversed

Four years ago, it was Trump who had to defend his administration’s record and low poll numbers.

This time, the burden will be on Biden to do the same.

Incumbents historically have struggled in the first debate of their reelection campaign, according to Schroeder. The trend, he said, began with Ronald Reagan in 1984 and continued with Barack Obama in 2012 and Trump in 2020.

Biden’s team, preparing at Camp David this week with 90-minute mock debates and more, wants to hold Trump accountable for remarks he’s made on topics ranging from reproductive rights to the economy and democracy. His team believes the debate format — microphone muting and the lack of a studio audience — will force Trump to engage on the issues.

Republican allies of Trump say he, too, should focus on policy and be more disciplined. Trump’s preparation includes informal policy discussions with aides and experts.

New challenges

For Trump, the effort to overturn his 2020 election loss and the U.S. Capitol attack that unfolded on Jan. 6 continue to shadow his political aims. His historic conviction in New York, tied to a hush money scheme during his 2016 presidential run, looms large with his sentencing just weeks away.

Plus, his role in nominating three Supreme Court justices who voted to strike down Roe v. Wade continues to have negative electoral ramifications for the Republican Party.

For Biden, low approval ratings on two key issues this cycle — the economy (particularly inflation) and immigration — prove a consistent challenge.

And while both men are four years older, questions about age and fitness often plague Biden more than Trump.

PHOTO: In this Sept. 29, 2020 file photo people watch the first presidential debate between President Donald J. Trump and Former Vice President Joe Biden, on in Hoboken, N.J.

In this Sept. 29, 2020 file photo people watch the first presidential debate between President Donald J. Trump and Former Vice President Joe Biden, on in Hoboken, N.J.

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Kevin Madden, a Republican strategist who worked on Mitt Romney’s 2008 and 2012 presidential campaigns, said he was shocked both candidates agreed to debate given the potential harm it could do to their campaigns.

“I am surprised for a number of reasons,” Madden told ABC News. “First: Trump has some momentum and debates allow his opponent to have an opportunity to shift that momentum. Second: For Biden, because he is going up against somebody who doesn’t play by the rules and will always be on the attack, there is a lot of risk there.”

Observers on both sides commented on what success would look like for each candidate.

Can Trump be disciplined?

“The thing that’s really driving a lot of voter anxiety right now, particularly those voters who haven’t yet decided, is immigration and inflation,” said Madden. “So, if Trump can make this a debate that really focuses on those problems and how he’s going to break away from the current status quo or reverse some of the trends on those issues, that’ll be a big win.”

For Biden, his vigor and presentation — how he appears — may be just as critical as any policy message.

“Where Biden is having some struggles with voters, age always comes up,” said Jim Kessler, the executive vice president for policy at the center-left think tank Third Way. “He gets an opportunity to answer that here. And a good performance goes a long way to making voters feel reassured.”

On issues, Kessler said Biden “needs to exploit his advantage on health care and choice, play to withdraw on the economy and make progress on the border. That’s his challenge in the debate and over the next several months.”

ABC News’ Selina Wang contributed to this report.

 

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‘Disgraceful:’ N.S. Tory leader slams school’s request that military remove uniform

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HALIFAX – Nova Scotia Premier Tim Houston says it’s “disgraceful and demeaning” that a Halifax-area school would request that service members not wear military uniforms to its Remembrance Day ceremony.

Houston’s comments were part of a chorus of criticism levelled at the school — Sackville Heights Elementary — whose administration decided to back away from the plan after the outcry.

A November newsletter from the school in Middle Sackville, N.S., invited Armed Forces members to attend its ceremony but asked that all attendees arrive in civilian attire to “maintain a welcoming environment for all.”

Houston, who is currently running for re-election, accused the school’s leaders of “disgracing themselves while demeaning the people who protect our country” in a post on the social media platform X Thursday night.

“If the people behind this decision had a shred of the courage that our veterans have, this cowardly and insulting idea would have been rejected immediately,” Houston’s post read. There were also several calls for resignations within the school’s administration attached to Houston’s post.

In an email to families Thursday night, the school’s principal, Rachael Webster, apologized and welcomed military family members to attend “in the attire that makes them most comfortable.”

“I recognize this request has caused harm and I am deeply sorry,” Webster’s email read, adding later that the school has the “utmost respect for what the uniform represents.”

Webster said the initial request was out of concern for some students who come from countries experiencing conflict and who she said expressed discomfort with images of war, including military uniforms.

Her email said any students who have concerns about seeing Armed Forces members in uniform can be accommodated in a way that makes them feel safe, but she provided no further details in the message.

Webster did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

At a news conference Friday, Houston said he’s glad the initial request was reversed but said he is still concerned.

“I can’t actually fathom how a decision like that was made,” Houston told reporters Friday, adding that he grew up moving between military bases around the country while his father was in the Armed Forces.

“My story of growing up in a military family is not unique in our province. The tradition of service is something so many of us share,” he said.

“Saying ‘lest we forget’ is a solemn promise to the fallen. It’s our commitment to those that continue to serve and our commitment that we will pass on our respects to the next generation.”

Liberal Leader Zach Churchill also said he’s happy with the school’s decision to allow uniformed Armed Forces members to attend the ceremony, but he said he didn’t think it was fair to question the intentions of those behind the original decision.

“We need to have them (uniforms) on display at Remembrance Day,” he said. “Not only are we celebrating (veterans) … we’re also commemorating our dead who gave the greatest sacrifice for our country and for the freedoms we have.”

NDP Leader Claudia Chender said that while Remembrance Day is an important occasion to honour veterans and current service members’ sacrifices, she said she hopes Houston wasn’t taking advantage of the decision to “play politics with this solemn occasion for his own political gain.”

“I hope Tim Houston reached out to the principal of the school before making a public statement,” she said in a statement.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Nov. 8, 2024.

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Saskatchewan NDP’s Beck holds first caucus meeting after election, outlines plans

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REGINA – Saskatchewan Opposition NDP Leader Carla Beck says she wants to prove to residents her party is the government in waiting as she heads into the incoming legislative session.

Beck held her first caucus meeting with 27 members, nearly double than what she had before the Oct. 28 election but short of the 31 required to form a majority in the 61-seat legislature.

She says her priorities will be health care and cost-of-living issues.

Beck says people need affordability help right now and will press Premier Scott Moe’s Saskatchewan Party government to cut the gas tax and the provincial sales tax on children’s clothing and some grocery items.

Beck’s NDP is Saskatchewan’s largest Opposition in nearly two decades after sweeping Regina and winning all but one seat in Saskatoon.

The Saskatchewan Party won 34 seats, retaining its hold on all of the rural ridings and smaller cities.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Nov. 8, 2024.

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Nova Scotia election: Liberals say province’s immigration levels are too high

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HALIFAX – Nova Scotia‘s growing population was the subject of debate on Day 12 of the provincial election campaign, with Liberal Leader Zach Churchill arguing immigration levels must be reduced until the province can provide enough housing and health-care services.

Churchill said Thursday a plan by the incumbent Progressive Conservatives to double the province’s population to two million people by the year 2060 is unrealistic and unsustainable.

“That’s a big leap and it’s making life harder for people who live here, (including ) young people looking for a place to live and seniors looking to downsize,” he told a news conference at his campaign headquarters in Halifax.

Anticipating that his call for less immigration might provoke protests from the immigrant community, Churchill was careful to note that he is among the third generation of a family that moved to Nova Scotia from Lebanon.

“I know the value of immigration, the importance of it to our province. We have been built on the backs of an immigrant population. But we just need to do it in a responsible way.”

The Liberal leader said Tim Houston’s Tories, who are seeking a second term in office, have made a mistake by exceeding immigration targets set by the province’s Department of Labour and Immigration. Churchill said a Liberal government would abide by the department’s targets.

In the most recent fiscal year, the government welcomed almost 12,000 immigrants through its nominee program, exceeding the department’s limit by more than 4,000, he said. The numbers aren’t huge, but the increase won’t help ease the province’s shortages in housing and doctors, and the increased strain on its infrastructure, including roads, schools and cellphone networks, Churchill said.

“(The Immigration Department) has done the hard work on this,” he said. “They know where the labour gaps are, and they know what growth is sustainable.”

In response, Houston said his commitment to double the population was a “stretch goal.” And he said the province had long struggled with a declining population before that trend was recently reversed.

“The only immigration that can come into this province at this time is if they are a skilled trade worker or a health-care worker,” Houston said. “The population has grown by two per cent a year, actually quite similar growth to what we experienced under the Liberal government before us.”

Still, Houston said he’s heard Nova Scotians’ concerns about population growth, and he then pivoted to criticize Prime Minister Justin Trudeau for trying to send 6,000 asylum seekers to Nova Scotia, an assertion the federal government has denied.

Churchill said Houston’s claim about asylum seekers was shameful.

“It’s smoke and mirrors,” the Liberal leader said. “He is overshooting his own department’s numbers for sustainable population growth and yet he is trying to blame this on asylum seekers … who aren’t even here.”

In September, federal Immigration Minister Marc Miller said there is no plan to send any asylum seekers to the province without compensation or the consent of the premier. He said the 6,000 number was an “aspirational” figure based on models that reflect each province’s population.

In Halifax, NDP Leader Claudia Chender said it’s clear Nova Scotia needs more doctors, nurses and skilled trades people.

“Immigration has been and always will be a part of the Nova Scotia story, but we need to build as we grow,” Chender said. “This is why we have been pushing the Houston government to build more affordable housing.”

Chender was in a Halifax cafe on Thursday when she promised her party would remove the province’s portion of the harmonized sales tax from all grocery, cellphone and internet bills if elected to govern on Nov. 26. The tax would also be removed from the sale and installation of heat pumps.

“Our focus is on helping people to afford their lives,” Chender told reporters. “We know there are certain things that you can’t live without: food, internet and a phone …. So we know this will have the single biggest impact.”

The party estimates the measure would save the average Nova Scotia family about $1,300 a year.

“That’s a lot more than a one or two per cent HST cut,” Chender said, referring to the Progressive Conservative pledge to reduce the tax by one percentage point and the Liberal promise to trim it by two percentage points.

Elsewhere on the campaign trail, Houston announced that a Progressive Conservative government would make parking free at all Nova Scotia hospitals and health-care centres. The promise was also made by the Liberals in their election platform released Monday.

“Free parking may not seem like a big deal to some, but … the parking, especially for people working at the facilities, can add up to hundreds of dollars,” the premier told a news conference at his campaign headquarters in Halifax.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Nov. 7, 2024.

— With files from Keith Doucette in Halifax

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