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Sending robots to space is the 'first step' to bringing AI to everday life: Group Leader and Technologist at NASA JPL and Caltech – Yahoo Finance

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Ali Agha, Caltech Project Lead, JPL Nebula Autonomy and AI, NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, talks testing Boston Dynamics’ Spot AI robot for Mars mission.

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Welcome back to “Yahoo Finance Live. Deeper space exploration missions come with their own set of challenges. Not only are instruments farther away, which make the delay in reacting to certain things difficult, but tricky terrain on the Martian surface has made wheel travel less ideal, as well. And that has researchers turning the Boston Dynamics dog-like robot– you may remember that one from a lot of viral videos– SPOT, as it’s called, for potential solutions.

For more on that partnership, happy to welcome in our next guest here. Ali Agha, who has a plethora of titles here. But I’m just going to go ahead and call him group leader and roboticist at Nasa JPL. And Ali, really what you’re focusing in on here in the project you lead is kind of the autonomy around some of these robots, to maybe try and figure out some of the things on their own to make the missions easier. But talk to me about how SPOT and that side of robotics helps.

ALI AGHA: Exactly, yeah. We here work on autonomy and artificial intelligence for robotic platforms. In some sense, you can think of our work as focused on building brains for robots. And typically, these brains are agnostic to specific robotic platforms. We integrate these. We have wheeled rovers. We have legged platforms, as the one you can see from Boston Dynamics. Even drones and flying robots with applications for terrestrial settings, search and rescue, mining and so on, as well as our main goal, which is space exploration.

And among these different locomotion capabilities and different mobility systems, legged robots are one of the most promising ones because specifically for NASA, targeting exploration of Mars surface, moon surface. We don’t have roads there. It’s all rugged terrain, off-road setting.

And even on Earth, when you have no road conditions, you typically have animals with legs, right? So legs offer much more capable locomotion ability to go over rocks and different extreme environments. And that’s why we are very excited to integrate our autonomous solutions with these legged platforms to enable new kinds of missions.

I assume, too, that the cost has maybe become a little bit more complicated here. When you’re thinking about SPOT off the shelf, I think what? It’s like $75,000 for one of those things. And then you add on what you guys are working on. So how much more does it kind of come out to you, when you retrofit or add the capabilities that you need to kind of help in these missions?

ALI AGHA: Yeah. First of all, cost is coming down very rapidly. These technologies are just at– these are the first steps in bringing these technologies to everyday life, to different types of missions. So the cost is rapidly going down and we are hoping that the legged platforms that are going to get cheaper and cheaper.

But you’re right. At the moment, a based platform would cost something like around 70k or so. And adding AI, and autonomy, and the sensing payload on top of it kind of doubles the price, roughly speaking. And that’s for terrestrial applications. Once there is really a mission to send these to Mars or the moon, there’s all plethora of new challenges to be resolved, such as making sure thermally or radiation-wise, you make these robots Mars ready or moom ready, which would be a totally different scale of cost and need there.

I mean, all the time, these videos go viral for, I guess, stoking fears in what the autonomous robot future might look like. So there are people out there who might be watching who might be afraid of the idea of adding autonomy to that SPOT dog.

But in the tests that you guys have been running so far, what have you learned about how it can help, and how maybe some of those fears are overblown? But also, the timeline to actually get these things up there for the next mission. What’s it all look like?

ALI AGHA: Yeah, there’s always that perception about what will happen with AI growing and being more and more capable. But I think something typically being missed is it’s not growing in isolation. As it grows and gets more capable, humans are getting capable, as well. It’s kind of part of us. It’s part of the system we’re building.

And in that sense, I think we see, similar to many other technologies in the last century and decades, the benefits typically are much higher. And you might remember the event a few years ago, the Thailand boys got stuck in a cave. If there was technologies that autonomously we send robots, they exactly pinpoint, this is the location. This is what capability is needed, or how rescue people can get to the exact point to save these boys, the mission could have been much faster. We save more lives, and so on.

And similarly, in mining disasters, after natural disasters, and oil and gas industry, there’s a lot of application domains that these systems can make a very positive impact on everyday human life.

And when it comes to the second part of your question on NASA missions, of course, there’s a long road ahead. The steps we are taking here are initial steps to demonstrate that when we go to extreme environments such as caves, such as places on Mars that are really interesting science-wise, this system is able to actually autonomously get to those points without us having prior information about the environment.

But when it comes to the time to really create a mission around these, there are other considerations, such as entry descent landing. Can we land these sorts of platforms nearby those caves or destinations of interest? How do we handle radiation in places like the moon or Mars where there’s no thick atmosphere to protect from that? And similarly, how do we handle thermal variation? There’s extreme temperatures, and a hot side and a cold side.

And those are the kind of things that, down the road, after the proof of concept is finalized, need to be studied before a mission with a legged robot to Mars becomes a reality.

Yeah, you say humanity’s progressing, as well. I don’t know. It might just be the smart people in your lab. You might be overestimating how much humanity outside of the lab has progressed here.

But when you look at Elon Musk and what he is doing at Tesla, also similarly last month introduced their own kind of concept idea of a Tesla bot, an autonomous robot, as well, which is interesting because he’s been pretty outspoken about some of those fears of a Terminator like future, as well. So I guess he’s changed his mind on that.

But when you look at the progress on autonomy and what you guys are working on to have these robots do things that, to your point, would benefit humanity, how far off is that technology from maybe the consumer space where you could go out and buy one of these on your own?

ALI AGHA: Yeah, I think, first on Elon Musk, I would say what they’re doing in SpaceX, it’s amazing in the sense that the increase in the frequency of launches from private sector, SpaceX, Blue Origin, all other companies is going to basically expedite by far the amount of technologies and opportunities that’s going to be there to colonize other planets. And that’s an amazing push there, and it’s very, very helpful for developing these sorts of technologies and expediting them.

And when it comes to benefits to humanity, I think it is– in my opinion, the next era is a robotic and AI era, where basically, the AI comes to physical systems, and embodies and tries to help people. We can see already the impact on education. You can see all sorts of different robots that kids can use to learn coding, to help with their education.

We can see slowly the entrance of robots to health care. We can see a direct impact on– in the COVID era, basically we saw the direct impact, how robots can sometimes isolate and reduce the risk to the patient, doctor, in hospitals. And search and rescue is definitely another very big application domain where, after natural disasters, there’s a clear need to send these robots to save lives or make the operations way more efficient for rescue personnel.

And we’ve been seeing a growing number of those natural disasters here. We might need more robots out there than were expected to help on the front. But Ali Agha, group leader and roboticist at NASA JPL, appreciate you coming on here to explain it all for us, man. Have a great weekend. Exciting to see all the progress there.

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Here’s how Helene and other storms dumped a whopping 40 trillion gallons of rain on the South

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More than 40 trillion gallons of rain drenched the Southeast United States in the last week from Hurricane Helene and a run-of-the-mill rainstorm that sloshed in ahead of it — an unheard of amount of water that has stunned experts.

That’s enough to fill the Dallas Cowboys’ stadium 51,000 times, or Lake Tahoe just once. If it was concentrated just on the state of North Carolina that much water would be 3.5 feet deep (more than 1 meter). It’s enough to fill more than 60 million Olympic-size swimming pools.

“That’s an astronomical amount of precipitation,” said Ed Clark, head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s National Water Center in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. “I have not seen something in my 25 years of working at the weather service that is this geographically large of an extent and the sheer volume of water that fell from the sky.”

The flood damage from the rain is apocalyptic, meteorologists said. More than 100 people are dead, according to officials.

Private meteorologist Ryan Maue, a former NOAA chief scientist, calculated the amount of rain, using precipitation measurements made in 2.5-mile-by-2.5 mile grids as measured by satellites and ground observations. He came up with 40 trillion gallons through Sunday for the eastern United States, with 20 trillion gallons of that hitting just Georgia, Tennessee, the Carolinas and Florida from Hurricane Helene.

Clark did the calculations independently and said the 40 trillion gallon figure (151 trillion liters) is about right and, if anything, conservative. Maue said maybe 1 to 2 trillion more gallons of rain had fallen, much if it in Virginia, since his calculations.

Clark, who spends much of his work on issues of shrinking western water supplies, said to put the amount of rain in perspective, it’s more than twice the combined amount of water stored by two key Colorado River basin reservoirs: Lake Powell and Lake Mead.

Several meteorologists said this was a combination of two, maybe three storm systems. Before Helene struck, rain had fallen heavily for days because a low pressure system had “cut off” from the jet stream — which moves weather systems along west to east — and stalled over the Southeast. That funneled plenty of warm water from the Gulf of Mexico. And a storm that fell just short of named status parked along North Carolina’s Atlantic coast, dumping as much as 20 inches of rain, said North Carolina state climatologist Kathie Dello.

Then add Helene, one of the largest storms in the last couple decades and one that held plenty of rain because it was young and moved fast before it hit the Appalachians, said University of Albany hurricane expert Kristen Corbosiero.

“It was not just a perfect storm, but it was a combination of multiple storms that that led to the enormous amount of rain,” Maue said. “That collected at high elevation, we’re talking 3,000 to 6000 feet. And when you drop trillions of gallons on a mountain, that has to go down.”

The fact that these storms hit the mountains made everything worse, and not just because of runoff. The interaction between the mountains and the storm systems wrings more moisture out of the air, Clark, Maue and Corbosiero said.

North Carolina weather officials said their top measurement total was 31.33 inches in the tiny town of Busick. Mount Mitchell also got more than 2 feet of rainfall.

Before 2017’s Hurricane Harvey, “I said to our colleagues, you know, I never thought in my career that we would measure rainfall in feet,” Clark said. “And after Harvey, Florence, the more isolated events in eastern Kentucky, portions of South Dakota. We’re seeing events year in and year out where we are measuring rainfall in feet.”

Storms are getting wetter as the climate change s, said Corbosiero and Dello. A basic law of physics says the air holds nearly 4% more moisture for every degree Fahrenheit warmer (7% for every degree Celsius) and the world has warmed more than 2 degrees (1.2 degrees Celsius) since pre-industrial times.

Corbosiero said meteorologists are vigorously debating how much of Helene is due to worsening climate change and how much is random.

For Dello, the “fingerprints of climate change” were clear.

“We’ve seen tropical storm impacts in western North Carolina. But these storms are wetter and these storms are warmer. And there would have been a time when a tropical storm would have been heading toward North Carolina and would have caused some rain and some damage, but not apocalyptic destruction. ”

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‘Big Sam’: Paleontologists unearth giant skull of Pachyrhinosaurus in Alberta

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It’s a dinosaur that roamed Alberta’s badlands more than 70 million years ago, sporting a big, bumpy, bony head the size of a baby elephant.

On Wednesday, paleontologists near Grande Prairie pulled its 272-kilogram skull from the ground.

They call it “Big Sam.”

The adult Pachyrhinosaurus is the second plant-eating dinosaur to be unearthed from a dense bonebed belonging to a herd that died together on the edge of a valley that now sits 450 kilometres northwest of Edmonton.

It didn’t die alone.

“We have hundreds of juvenile bones in the bonebed, so we know that there are many babies and some adults among all of the big adults,” Emily Bamforth, a paleontologist with the nearby Philip J. Currie Dinosaur Museum, said in an interview on the way to the dig site.

She described the horned Pachyrhinosaurus as “the smaller, older cousin of the triceratops.”

“This species of dinosaur is endemic to the Grand Prairie area, so it’s found here and nowhere else in the world. They are … kind of about the size of an Indian elephant and a rhino,” she added.

The head alone, she said, is about the size of a baby elephant.

The discovery was a long time coming.

The bonebed was first discovered by a high school teacher out for a walk about 50 years ago. It took the teacher a decade to get anyone from southern Alberta to come to take a look.

“At the time, sort of in the ’70s and ’80s, paleontology in northern Alberta was virtually unknown,” said Bamforth.

When paleontogists eventually got to the site, Bamforth said, they learned “it’s actually one of the densest dinosaur bonebeds in North America.”

“It contains about 100 to 300 bones per square metre,” she said.

Paleontologists have been at the site sporadically ever since, combing through bones belonging to turtles, dinosaurs and lizards. Sixteen years ago, they discovered a large skull of an approximately 30-year-old Pachyrhinosaurus, which is now at the museum.

About a year ago, they found the second adult: Big Sam.

Bamforth said both dinosaurs are believed to have been the elders in the herd.

“Their distinguishing feature is that, instead of having a horn on their nose like a triceratops, they had this big, bony bump called a boss. And they have big, bony bumps over their eyes as well,” she said.

“It makes them look a little strange. It’s the one dinosaur that if you find it, it’s the only possible thing it can be.”

The genders of the two adults are unknown.

Bamforth said the extraction was difficult because Big Sam was intertwined in a cluster of about 300 other bones.

The skull was found upside down, “as if the animal was lying on its back,” but was well preserved, she said.

She said the excavation process involved putting plaster on the skull and wooden planks around if for stability. From there, it was lifted out — very carefully — with a crane, and was to be shipped on a trolley to the museum for study.

“I have extracted skulls in the past. This is probably the biggest one I’ve ever done though,” said Bamforth.

“It’s pretty exciting.”

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Sept. 25, 2024.

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The ancient jar smashed by a 4-year-old is back on display at an Israeli museum after repair

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TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — A rare Bronze-Era jar accidentally smashed by a 4-year-old visiting a museum was back on display Wednesday after restoration experts were able to carefully piece the artifact back together.

Last month, a family from northern Israel was visiting the museum when their youngest son tipped over the jar, which smashed into pieces.

Alex Geller, the boy’s father, said his son — the youngest of three — is exceptionally curious, and that the moment he heard the crash, “please let that not be my child” was the first thought that raced through his head.

The jar has been on display at the Hecht Museum in Haifa for 35 years. It was one of the only containers of its size and from that period still complete when it was discovered.

The Bronze Age jar is one of many artifacts exhibited out in the open, part of the Hecht Museum’s vision of letting visitors explore history without glass barriers, said Inbal Rivlin, the director of the museum, which is associated with Haifa University in northern Israel.

It was likely used to hold wine or oil, and dates back to between 2200 and 1500 B.C.

Rivlin and the museum decided to turn the moment, which captured international attention, into a teaching moment, inviting the Geller family back for a special visit and hands-on activity to illustrate the restoration process.

Rivlin added that the incident provided a welcome distraction from the ongoing war in Gaza. “Well, he’s just a kid. So I think that somehow it touches the heart of the people in Israel and around the world,“ said Rivlin.

Roee Shafir, a restoration expert at the museum, said the repairs would be fairly simple, as the pieces were from a single, complete jar. Archaeologists often face the more daunting task of sifting through piles of shards from multiple objects and trying to piece them together.

Experts used 3D technology, hi-resolution videos, and special glue to painstakingly reconstruct the large jar.

Less than two weeks after it broke, the jar went back on display at the museum. The gluing process left small hairline cracks, and a few pieces are missing, but the jar’s impressive size remains.

The only noticeable difference in the exhibit was a new sign reading “please don’t touch.”

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