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How best to pay the investment management fee for your RRSP

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It seemed a victory for investors when the federal government allowed the cost of having RRSPs, RRIFs and TFSAs managed by an adviser to be paid with money from an outside account.

If your adviser works on a fee-based arrangement, you might pay 1 to 2 per cent of the value of your assets to have an account managed. Wouldn’t it be better to leave that money to grow over the years in your registered account and pay those fees with outside money?

The answer is yes for tax-free savings accounts, a new report from the tax and estate planning people at the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce says. For registered retirement savings plans and registered retirement income funds, it may actually make sense to pay your fees from within your plan. According to CIBC, it all depends on your tax bracket, age and the rate of return you’re targeting over the long term.

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“If you’re expecting high rates of return and your time horizon is in the decades, then it may make sense to pay RRSPs on the outside,” said Jamie Golombek, CIBC’s managing director of tax and estate planning and a co-author of the report with Debbie Pearl-Weinberg and Tess Francis.

The federal Department of Finance gave the all-clear to pay RRSP, RRIF and TFSA fees with outside money last fall after a review of whether people doing this would have an “unfair advantage” that artificially shifts value into a registered plan. A stiff penalty can be applied to an unfair advantage.

The analysis by CIBC notes that when you pay RRSP fees with outside money, you’re using after-tax dollars. If you pay from within an RRSP, you’re using pre-tax dollars. Remember: You get a tax deduction when you contribute to an RRSP, and you pay tax on your withdrawals later on in retirement.

CIBC built an example using someone who pays $100 in RRSP fees and is in the 30-per-cent tax bracket while working and in retirement. If this person pays the $100 fee from an outside account, then that’s the cost, period. If the fee is paid from within the RRSP, CIBC argues that the real cost is only $70.

Here’s CIBC’s reasoning: When you pay the $100 fee from within the RRSP, you never take that money out of the plan and incur a tax hit of 30 per cent. You could say that you’re paying $70 of the $100 fee and the government is paying $30 via the amount it would have taken as tax if you withdrew $100.

The counter-argument is that paying fees out of your RRSP depletes the amount of money that can compound in your account over the years on a tax-sheltered basis. The CIBC report said it’s possible to calculate a break-even point where you get more benefit from paying fees outside your RRSP than you do from inside.

Someone in the 30-per-cent tax bracket who pays $100 in fees in Year One from within an RRSP that has an initial value of $10,000 would need 25 years to break even on those fees, if we assume average annual returns of 5 per cent. With a higher rate of return, the break-even point comes sooner.

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Your tax rate also affects the break-even point. The higher your tax rate on RRSP withdrawals, the better the tax savings from paying your fees from within your plan.

For TFSAs, “it seems pretty clear they should be paid from outside to maximize the tax-free growth from within the plan,” the CIBC report concludes. “For RRSPs and RRIFs, this is not an easy question to answer, as it will depend on your investment time horizon, expected rates of return and tax rates.”

All of this suggests it may be fine to continue to pay fees from within an RRSP if you’re retired. You might have decades ahead of you, but your portfolio is likely to be conservatively built and not generating big returns. Younger people, with many decades ahead of them and more aggressive portfolios, should consider paying their RRSP fees outside the plan.

Paying your RRSP advice fees isn’t a make-or-break thing, though. “Many, many people would be just fine over the long term by keeping things as they are, which means paying from the RRSP,” Mr. Golombek said.

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Energy stocks help lift S&P/TSX composite, U.S. stock markets also up

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TORONTO – Canada’s main stock index was higher in late-morning trading, helped by strength in energy stocks, while U.S. stock markets also moved up.

The S&P/TSX composite index was up 34.91 points at 23,736.98.

In New York, the Dow Jones industrial average was up 178.05 points at 41,800.13. The S&P 500 index was up 28.38 points at 5,661.47, while the Nasdaq composite was up 133.17 points at 17,725.30.

The Canadian dollar traded for 73.56 cents US compared with 73.57 cents US on Monday.

The November crude oil contract was up 68 cents at US$69.70 per barrel and the October natural gas contract was up three cents at US$2.40 per mmBTU.

The December gold contract was down US$7.80 at US$2,601.10 an ounce and the December copper contract was up a penny at US$4.28 a pound.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Sept. 17, 2024.

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S&P/TSX gains almost 100 points, U.S. markets also higher ahead of rate decision

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TORONTO – Strength in the base metal and technology sectors helped Canada’s main stock index gain almost 100 points on Friday, while U.S. stock markets climbed to their best week of the year.

“It’s been almost a complete opposite or retracement of what we saw last week,” said Philip Petursson, chief investment strategist at IG Wealth Management.

In New York, the Dow Jones industrial average was up 297.01 points at 41,393.78. The S&P 500 index was up 30.26 points at 5,626.02, while the Nasdaq composite was up 114.30 points at 17,683.98.

The S&P/TSX composite index closed up 93.51 points at 23,568.65.

While last week saw a “healthy” pullback on weaker economic data, this week investors appeared to be buying the dip and hoping the central bank “comes to the rescue,” said Petursson.

Next week, the U.S. Federal Reserve is widely expected to cut its key interest rate for the first time in several years after it significantly hiked it to fight inflation.

But the magnitude of that first cut has been the subject of debate, and the market appears split on whether the cut will be a quarter of a percentage point or a larger half-point reduction.

Petursson thinks it’s clear the smaller cut is coming. Economic data recently hasn’t been great, but it hasn’t been that bad either, he said — and inflation may have come down significantly, but it’s not defeated just yet.

“I think they’re going to be very steady,” he said, with one small cut at each of their three decisions scheduled for the rest of 2024, and more into 2025.

“I don’t think there’s a sense of urgency on the part of the Fed that they have to do something immediately.

A larger cut could also send the wrong message to the markets, added Petursson: that the Fed made a mistake in waiting this long to cut, or that it’s seeing concerning signs in the economy.

It would also be “counter to what they’ve signaled,” he said.

More important than the cut — other than the new tone it sets — will be what Fed chair Jerome Powell has to say, according to Petursson.

“That’s going to be more important than the size of the cut itself,” he said.

In Canada, where the central bank has already cut three times, Petursson expects two more before the year is through.

“Here, the labour situation is worse than what we see in the United States,” he said.

The Canadian dollar traded for 73.61 cents US compared with 73.58 cents US on Thursday.

The October crude oil contract was down 32 cents at US$68.65 per barrel and the October natural gas contract was down five cents at US$2.31 per mmBTU.

The December gold contract was up US$30.10 at US$2,610.70 an ounce and the December copper contract was up four cents US$4.24 a pound.

— With files from The Associated Press

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Sept. 13, 2024.

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S&P/TSX composite down more than 200 points, U.S. stock markets also fall

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TORONTO – Canada’s main stock index was down more than 200 points in late-morning trading, weighed down by losses in the technology, base metal and energy sectors, while U.S. stock markets also fell.

The S&P/TSX composite index was down 239.24 points at 22,749.04.

In New York, the Dow Jones industrial average was down 312.36 points at 40,443.39. The S&P 500 index was down 80.94 points at 5,422.47, while the Nasdaq composite was down 380.17 points at 16,747.49.

The Canadian dollar traded for 73.80 cents US compared with 74.00 cents US on Thursday.

The October crude oil contract was down US$1.07 at US$68.08 per barrel and the October natural gas contract was up less than a penny at US$2.26 per mmBTU.

The December gold contract was down US$2.10 at US$2,541.00 an ounce and the December copper contract was down four cents at US$4.10 a pound.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Sept. 6, 2024.

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